# Can't access TTN Console, ttnctl fails, TTN Node-RED library fails, and Kickstarter gateways get stuck after daily reboot

**URL:** <https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/cant-access-ttn-console-ttnctl-fails-ttn-node-red-library-fails-and-kickstarter-gateways-get-stuck-after-daily-reboot/37050>\
**Category:** v2 Console\
**Created:** [May 17, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/cant-access-ttn-console-ttnctl-fails-ttn-node-red-library-fails-and-kickstarter-gateways-get-stuck-after-daily-reboot/37050 "2020-05-17T07:06:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![arjanvanb](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/arjanvanb/32/46626_2.png) [@arjanvanb](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/arjanvanb)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/cant-access-ttn-console-ttnctl-fails-ttn-node-red-library-fails-and-kickstarter-gateways-get-stuck-after-daily-reboot/37050/16 "2020-05-17T11:01:49Z")

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> [@65sc02](#):
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> I am surprised that there isn’t a bigger outcry if everyone (?) is affected?

Though TTN Console is great for debugging (especially to [debug OTAA Join problems](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/can-i-use-ttn-without-my-own-gateway-if-one-is-nearby/35957/2), or to see the gateway’s Traffic page when one does not have access to the gateway’s raw logs), many of us simply don’t need it every day as more reliable alternatives exist:

- Unfortunately, right now `ttnctl` is failing too:

- The TTN Node-RED library is reported to be failing too, but [it seems it’s time to migrate to a regular Node-RED MQTT Input node anyhow](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/windows-failed-to-install-node-red-contrib-ttn-node-red/34292/2).

- Data is being delivered just fine using [the MQTT Data API](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/applications/mqtt/) and [the HTTP Integration](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/applications/http/) (and likely other integrations as well). An MQTT command line interface might be more reliable than the application/device’s Data page in TTN Console anyhow:

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