# How to use Helium miner as a gateway ? is it possibole **URL:** \ **Category:** LMIC\ **Created:** [November 14, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158 "2021-11-14T16:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pik76/32/35697_2.png) [@Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Pik76)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/1 "2021-11-14T16:07:28Z")
Hi guys , can I use Rak miner as a gataway ? to transmit node signal ? or do i need to setup gatawey? I bought lht65 but unfortunately the is no gateway in my town. I use RAK hotspot v2 , but sensor is offline even when i add it to helium console . how to do it ? cheers pika ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/2 "2021-11-14T17:06:09Z")
> [@Pik76](#): > > can I use Rak miner as a gataway Yes, but it won’t mine anymore as this is TTN, not Helium. > [@Pik76](#): > > to transmit node signal It’s going to be a gateway, not a node / device. > [@Pik76](#): > > I use RAK hotspot v2 , but sensor is offline even when i add it to helium console . That’s for you to take up with Helium. ---
**Author:** ![Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pik76/32/35697_2.png) [@Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Pik76)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/3 "2021-11-14T17:28:12Z")
thank you Nick ! ---
**Author:** ![Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pik76/32/35697_2.png) [@Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Pik76)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/4 "2021-11-14T17:29:08Z")
I’ll build gateway to connect the sensor… ---
**Author:** ![Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pik76/32/35697_2.png) [@Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Pik76)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/5 "2021-11-14T17:51:59Z")
Nick another think … how the miner send and receive signal and sensors can’t use the device to connect to lora network ? I’m new to that … ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/6 "2021-11-14T22:43:22Z")
It sounds like you need to review the concepts, check out the docs: [https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/lorawan/](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/lorawan/) ---
**Author:** ![pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pe1mew/32/45049_2.png) [@pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/pe1mew)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/7 "2021-11-15T17:10:30Z")
> [@Pik76](#): > > Hi guys , can I use Rak miner as a gataway ? to transmit node signal ? or do i need to setup gatawey? No you can’t. A RAK helium miner (unless a V1 type) cannot be reconfigured to connect to both Helium and TTN. When it is a V2 type a software replacement is required that will allow connecting to TTN but you will loose Helium connectivity. ---
**Author:** ![Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pik76/32/35697_2.png) [@Pik76](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Pik76)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/8 "2021-11-15T17:41:17Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![f4b0](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@f4b0](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/f4b0)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/9 "2023-01-16T12:28:36Z")
Hi, is there a manual or a description how to convert a rak Wireless Helium Hotspot V2 to send data to ttn. You wrote that there is a software replacement required but i can’t find some details about it. Can you provide more information? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![scottbot2000](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/scottbot2000/32/35697_2.png) [@scottbot2000](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/scottbot2000)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/10 "2023-03-28T17:38:21Z")
This is how I have my TTN gateway set up using a second hand rak miner. > **[Deploy a LoRa Basics™ Station gateway with TTN and balena](https://blog.balena.io/deploy-a-basics-station-lora-gateway-with-ttn-and-balena/)** > > How to deploy a TTN and TTI LoRa gateway with Basics Station Packet Forward in one click using balena and the RAK2245 with a Raspberry Pi or balenaFin. ---
**Author:** ![thedr](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/e47c2d/32.png) [@thedr](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/thedr)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 5:54am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/11 "2023-03-29T05:54:44Z")
Sorry for the Question, because I’m new to the whole LoRaWan and TTN “thing”. But is it somehow possible to set up a gateway to use both, TTN and Helium? ---
**Author:** ![Johan\_Scheepers](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/johan_scheepers/32/46550_2.png) [@Johan\_Scheepers](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Johan_Scheepers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 6:16am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/12 "2023-03-29T06:16:11Z")
No, you want your bread buttered on both sides? ---
**Author:** ![Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/jeff-uk/32/35697_2.png) [@Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Jeff-UK)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 7:50am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/13 "2023-03-29T07:50:24Z")
Having a GW share networks (not just H +TTN) has been discussed many times on the forum - forum search is your friend! Technically (almost) possible to get illusion of sharing but technically not practical! 🙂 _Do not attempt with a GW connected to TTS(CE) (TTN)._ ---
**Author:** ![kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/kersing/32/44777_2.png) [@kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/kersing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/14 "2023-03-29T10:24:40Z")
> [@thedr](#): > > But is it somehow possible to set up a gateway to use both, TTN and Helium? It can be done, however it’s like having a car with one car and two steering wheels, two throttles and two break pedals which are operated by entities that do now know they share the car or what the other one is doing. This could result in a gateway that violates local laws and exposes the owner to fines. ---
**Author:** ![pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pe1mew/32/45049_2.png) [@pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/pe1mew)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 12:21pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/15 "2023-03-29T12:21:10Z")
Yes it can be done. Look for the Balena fleet solution from Nebra for your hardware type. ---
**Author:** ![pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pe1mew/32/45049_2.png) [@pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/pe1mew)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/16 "2023-03-29T12:22:48Z")
Although you are technically correct, I see no ethical reason that would keep him from doing so. I passed that point a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/jeff-uk/32/35697_2.png) [@Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Jeff-UK)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/17 "2023-03-29T13:03:51Z")
> [@pe1mew](#): > > I see no ethical reason The ethical reason is a technical one - if network A is ‘operating’ the GW then network B is not able to - this then represents a Denial of Service attack by A on B, Also even if Network A isnt actually using the GW it may have exhausted the available duty cycle airtime limit so again Network B cannot function, again a DoS. and so on for many other scenarios. In addition if the GW isnt locked out and monitoring its own duty cycle (a function typically taken care of by the LNS in control) then network B may still go ahead and push a Tx…this then changes an ethical and technical dilema into a Legal issue! I know from discussion you have done this, and on low traffic shared private networks it may be done, if owner keeps eye on activity to ensure legal compliance and is willing to accept packet loss or need for retry’s in their own application BUT it is not something supported or encouraged by TTN/TTI & community and as above > [@Jeff-UK](#): > > 🙂 _Do not attempt with a GW connected to TTS(CE) (TTN)._ Technically, I can go say 3 pints over the legal alcohol limit - my personal ethics will decide if I can/will or not, society’s (communities) group ethics will decide if I ‘should’ do so or not and Legal limits will decide the punishment! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/jeff-uk/32/35697_2.png) [@Jeff-UK](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Jeff-UK)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/18 "2023-03-29T13:08:24Z")
If you want to make GW infrastructure available between more than 1 network - peer using established LoRaWAN peering/roaming specifications and ageements or use e.g. Packet Broker… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/kersing/32/44777_2.png) [@kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/kersing)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/19 "2023-03-29T14:04:01Z")
> [@pe1mew](#): > > I see no ethical reason that would keep him from doing so TTI explicity asks not to do it as it might well impact the user experience on the community network. There are already users with simple gateway setups complaining about downlinks not arriving, would it be ethical to push the limits and expose the community and forum to complications resulting from such a setup? ---
**Author:** ![pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/pe1mew/32/45049_2.png) [@pe1mew](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/pe1mew)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158/20 "2023-03-29T14:50:58Z")
> [@Jeff-UK](#): > > If you want to make GW infrastructure available between more than 1 network - peer using established LoRaWAN peering/roaming specifications and ageements Again technically correct. This is how the world should behave. Unfortunately there are parties that will not talk to each other (TTI vs Helium for example). Why should only the user behave and choose party while being kept from other features and possibilities when they act different than they preach? I prefer to do it in a technical correct way but sorry, I am not interested in such moral knighthood when patronized. [Next page](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/how-to-use-helium-miner-as-a-gateway-is-it-possibole/53158.md?page=2)