# LoRawan relay feature **URL:** \ **Category:** LoRaWAN Specifications\ **Created:** [December 30, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670 "2022-12-30T04:04:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wathan](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/wathan/32/35697_2.png) [@wathan](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/wathan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/1 "2022-12-30T04:04:34Z")
Hi all, How to implement this relay feature? > **[LoRa Alliance® Announces New Relay Feature that Extends LoRaWAN® Coverage for...](https://lora-alliance.org/lora-alliance-press-release/lora-alliance-announces-new-relay-feature-that-extends-lorawan-coverage-for-metering-utilities-smart-cities-and-industrial-applications/)** > > Battery-operated relays provide easy to deploy, low power, and standards-based approach to achieve robust network coverage in challenging environments ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 10:55am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/2 "2022-12-30T10:55:09Z")
Wait three to five years, it should be ready for mainstream use by then. Or be the first! ---
**Author:** ![LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/loratracker/32/48502_2.png) [@LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/LoRaTracker)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/3 "2022-12-30T12:29:14Z")
Have TTI given any indication that they are planning to introduce the relay feature ? ---
**Author:** ![wathan](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/wathan/32/35697_2.png) [@wathan](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/wathan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 6:00am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/4 "2023-01-03T06:00:20Z")
i think …, not introduce yet. that feature is great for Lorawan. ---
**Author:** ![Johan\_Scheepers](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/johan_scheepers/32/48536_2.png) [@Johan\_Scheepers](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/Johan_Scheepers)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 6:17am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/5 "2023-01-03T06:17:41Z")
Also see [https://www.dryad.net/](https://www.dryad.net/) , they have implemented something like that. If I read what Dryad is doing, looks like they are using it already. ---
**Author:** ![LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/loratracker/32/48502_2.png) [@LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/LoRaTracker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 8:25am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/6 "2023-01-03T08:25:16Z")
Great ? Not so sure myself. Whilst a permanently listening LoRa device acting a relay can in effect double range, the relay feature described uses CAD to detect on air activity and when I tested this there was a drop off in effective sensitivity, i.e CAD did not detect the weakest signals that could have been received. And if you need to put in a lot of these ‘relays’ to reach distant nodes, then maybe a better placed Gateway is what is needed. Time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/loratracker/32/48502_2.png) [@LoRaTracker](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/LoRaTracker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:56am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/7 "2023-01-04T08:56:35Z")
> [@Johan\_Scheepers](#): > > If I read what Dryad is doing, looks like they are using it already. Yes, they are reporting using a (patent pending) mesh setup, although there are public domain mesh setups already. But forest fire detection, does not in the vast majority of circumstances, generate much traffic at all. Maybe a once a day I am alive message … A mesh setup in a typical TTN scenario could generate huge amounts of traffic, so could well struggle to stay legal. Perhaps this is why the direct relay approach is being suggested, rather than a mesh solution. ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 10:09am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/8 "2023-01-18T10:09:26Z")
A post was merged into an existing topic: [Finding ETSI compliance documentation](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/t/finding-etsi-compliance-documentation/61013/3) ---
**Author:** ![andersonfw](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@andersonfw](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/andersonfw)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/10 "2023-06-19T16:26:23Z")
Hey. Is there a LoraWan specification available regarding the relay feature? I saw that the Lora 1.0.5 specification already incorporated these features, but I can’t find it anywhere. I only find the TS011 file which contains some information but does not explain how to implement a relay, how to use fport and how the network server handles it. ---
**Author:** ![kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/kersing/32/44777_2.png) [@kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/kersing)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/11 "2023-06-19T16:57:29Z")
Where did you find the 1.0.5 specification? Has it been released or is it still being created/reviewed? ---
**Author:** ![andersonfw](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@andersonfw](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/andersonfw)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/lorawan-relay-feature/60670/12 "2023-06-19T17:11:50Z")
I found it in a presentation in January of this year about relay, and it said that specification 1.0.5 was in progress, where port 226 is specific for data retransmission.