# Simplest reliable Lorawan Gateway with LTE **URL:** \ **Category:** Gateways\ **Created:** [August 10, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141 "2020-08-10T19:06:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![cultsdotelecomatgmai](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/cultsdotelecomatgmai/32/35697_2.png) [@cultsdotelecomatgmai](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/cultsdotelecomatgmai)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/49 "2020-08-13T13:55:33Z")
Hi @cslorabox, thanks - interesting post. I suspect that you have something like a “right to repair” view. I have spent 35+ years (I’m semi-retired now) working on critical systems for offshore Oil & Gas which has a “must not modify” approach policed by organisations like Lloyd’s Register and DNV. The only modifications allowed are those from the supplier done via full Engineering Change Management (ECM). O&G companies, of course, only purchase critical systems from suppliers who will put the appropriate service levels behind their products. As @kersing rightly says, one of the strengths of LoRaWAN is that we have choices. Suppliers also, of course, are free to choose how they offer products into the marketplace and we are free to choose how we spend our money. ---
**Author:** ![cslorabox](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/cslorabox/32/35697_2.png) [@cslorabox](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/cslorabox)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/50 "2020-08-13T15:20:51Z")
> [@cultsdotelecomatgmai](#): > > “must not modify” “must not modify” has its place in certain highly regulated settings, but is about assigning _responsibility_, not about _getting things to work._ It is also how you get gear with known quirks which the people in the field build a culture of working around… eg soldiers told they have to power cycle a system every 8 hours, because after that a software bug leads to growing imprecision. Returning to the realm of a LoRaWAN network, the “interesting” stuff which really governs behavior is in the nodes and the network server. All the gateway really needs to do is pass things back and forth, keep doing that, report to its owners about its ability to keep doing that, let them remotely deploy updates into it, etc. There’s no real business value in a gateway, only liability when it fails to do its simple job. We get downtime from _novel_ problems, but then we figure out what happened and fix things so it can’t again, or at worst add instrumentation so the next time it happens we’ll collect enough information to understand and fix the problem. The place we continue to suffer repeating downtime incidents from the same _known_ problems is in the systems we don’t have access to fix. ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/51 "2021-04-08T21:05:22Z")
A post was split to a new topic: [New M2M-Tele products](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/new-m2m-tele-products/46528) ---
**Author:** ![chbla](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/chbla/32/35697_2.png) [@chbla](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/chbla)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/52 "2021-04-20T12:57:18Z")
Any new developments on this topic? I’m also looking for compact LTE gateways. Dragino warns that they are not for LoRaWan use, e.g: [LG308 Indoor LoRaWAN Gateway](https://www.dragino.com/products/lora-lorawan-gateway/item/140-lg308.html) Will they work with TTN? Note: Somehow I cannot seem to post new topics so I’m hijacking this one - not sure why ---
**Author:** ![wolfp](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/wolfp/32/45304_2.png) [@wolfp](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/wolfp)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/53 "2021-04-20T13:11:02Z")
This thread is really very old. You can use Dragino LG308, LIG16 or LPS8 for LoRaWAN resp. TTN. ---
**Author:** ![MacClean](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/macclean/32/35697_2.png) [@MacClean](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/MacClean)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/54 "2021-04-20T14:48:40Z")
> [@cslorabox](#): > > That sounds interesting, but seems like a lot of key details missing on the vendor’s pages. > > It says mPCIe, without giving an SPI pinout (there is no standard for SPI on an mCPIe connector, it is a custom extension), which kind of implies a **deprecated USB-SPI Bridge** (the [employee time tracking](https://www.worktime.com/employee-time-tracking-software) seems to show only USB to the mPCIe slots as well) > > But it says it has LBT, which contrastingly points to something current either SPI or MCU-based pico-GW > > But then it links to the everyday SPI-only non-pico-GW Semtech repo. > > So is it SPI with an undocumented pinout? Or USB? Or what? > > FWIW the above mentioned block diagram shows an MT7621 somewhat related to the MT7628 RAK uses. > > But it seems it runs “router OS” where “RouterOS is MikroTik’s stand-alone operating system based on linux v3.3.5 kernel” [**And they somehow claim the right to make you pay for a license**](https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:License)… > > Why, oh why, can’t hardware companies just make _hardware_ and _document_ the essential facts of it? That`s how hardware companies works.Only selling stuff… ---
**Author:** ![descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/descartes/32/47220_2.png) [@descartes](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/descartes)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/55 "2021-04-20T15:50:12Z")
> [@chbla](#): > > Dragino warns that they are not for LoRaWan use Where does Dragino say that you can’t use the LG308 for LoRaWAN? There are no simple reliable LoRaWAN gateways on LTE - LTE brings in a whole heap of extra backhaul excitement. But I guess as the topic says ‘simplest’, any of the mainstream vendors are going to be OK - Dragino, RAK etc. Or you can get a gateway on WiFi and put a MiFi next to it … ---
**Author:** ![kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/kersing/32/44777_2.png) [@kersing](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/kersing)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/56 "2021-04-20T17:07:34Z")
Look at MikroTik offerings. Check the announced partnering of TTI with T-Mobile during the virtual TTN conference last January. Videos should be on TTN YouTube channel. ---
**Author:** ![engelking](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/engelking/32/46323_2.png) [@engelking](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/engelking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/57 "2021-04-20T21:08:22Z")
I follow @kersing recommendation. I am currently testing a Mikrotik LtAP LR8 kit. A very robust construction even with several SIM slots. ---
**Author:** ![jbkiwi](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/user_avatar/www.thethingsnetwork.org/jbkiwi/32/46829_2.png) [@jbkiwi](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/jbkiwi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/58 "2021-06-21T07:53:44Z")
The MikroTik LtAP is an amazing bit of Kit and sits idle witnh a load of around 4 watts. I’m using a 50 watt solar panel, 10Amp MPPT charger and a 71Ah12V battery which gives me (almost) 24x7 power. A 100w panel gives me year round operation ---
**Author:** ![kevinrs](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kevinrs](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/u/kevinrs)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/simplest-reliable-lorawan-gateway-with-lte/39141/59 "2024-10-01T12:26:52Z")
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