The BIG and SMALL ANTENNA topic part 2

Pitty. Especialy downtilt antennas like this one can nicely be simulated in propagation simulation tools.
Iā€™ll be patient.

The downtilt only occurs in frequencies used by the 915MHz band, at the ā€œlower frequenciesā€ around 870MHz the main lobe is horizontal. Could make a comment that we who use 915MHz have got an advantage for once. :joy: But wouldnā€™t do such a thing.

Since I canā€™t transmit in the 868MHz band (its a mobile network down here), I could not test it.

That is a good comment. Tilting will alter over the used frequency. It seems as if this antenna was designed primary for 868 where the tilting at 915 is a side effect.

question for the specialists

I need/want a LoRa 868 antenna that is directional in 4 directions that can be used mobile.
So I was thinking of something like this, on a pcb that I can hide in a big tube slice.

4dproto-01

could something like this work ?

mmmā€¦ why not omnidirectional at this point?

because I need directional :wink:

its for a fully automatic ā€˜track and traceā€™ system to find nodes / gateways - that idea lives in my head @ this moment :sunglasses:

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Maybe take a bit of inspiration from ADF in aircraft. It uses a loop antenna (raamantenne) combined with an omni to form a cardioid reception pattern. They used to rotate but these days that is done electronically.

congrats to the winners :sunglasses: :partying_face:

https://beta.rakwireless.com/

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Great!, I did not know it yet. I have not received any email. #happy

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I guess it could work. However you have to take in account that the gain of such small antennes to not have a high front-to-back ratio. Reflections in your surroundings would therfore have more influence. I think the influence would be less if you mount it with free sight on a roof. Why not use one directional antenna and start experimenting by looking at the RF spectrum with a RTL-SDR.

gain is not that importantā€¦ direction is (and mobillity !)
s-l500

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Sorry, my typo. I wanted to say that the gain was relatively low and the front to back ratio poor. I guess if you would want such a setup to hunt for nodes you would benefit more if you would have an antenna like a HB9CV or a biquad antenna with better front-to-back ratioā€¦

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I want to build a mobile device So no yagiā€™s.
Tnxā€¦ I guess I will just have to test a few things myself first :sunglasses:


hb9cv1200
hb9cv :roll_eyes:

Hopefully we get our next week and maybe repeat your experimental for the 868 band

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And there he is! Installed on this temporary tripod for coming measurements.

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Only problem I had was that I cannot install the antenna proprely with the provided clamps. No idea how RAK thinks it should work. Therefore I used the clamps of an old chineese VHF/UHF antenna.

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Love the RAK test reports, all sorts of details inc patterns vs frequency,

http://docs.rakwireless.com/en/Accessories/Antenna/RAK_860-930MHz_5.8dBi_Outdoor_Antenna_Specification.pdf

Not just the basic meaningless one ā€œgainā€ value - often made up to appear very high, although like @BoRRoZ said high gains may even be bad if pattern is in the wrong directionā€¦

Canā€™t wait to test this one.

You raise an interesting point :thinking:. With such a wide range of mounting arrangements used on different sites the antenna supplier hasnā€™t a clue on how the antenna will be installed.

For example, its common to mount to a vertical tube but then whatā€™s itā€™s diameter? It could be a outrigger from a tower and be a horizontal tube (again what size)? Alternatively it could be a bracket secured to a structure like a chimney.

Reflecting on your comment I realised I tossed the clamps that arrived with my antenna on a pile of similar bits and pieces as I build my own clamps. I prefer either stainless steel hardware or Hot Dip Galvanised bolts, nuts and clamps rather than the electroplated versions which rust very quickly. (Example The BIG and SMALL ANTENNA topic part 1 - #451 by BoRRoZ ) I can get a range of clamps sizes from car exhaust suppliers and fabricate from there.

I wonder if there is an opportunity to design and sell a set of universal antenna clamps for Lora systems?

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this design is used on boats

this (dutch) webshop has a lot of material

I contacted RAK for radiation patterns and got als the document as linked to by @jmarcelino. In this document I found the intended mounting for the antenna and the brackets. I have reproduced this mounting using ā€œaluminum corner profileā€ (not sure about the translation from ā€œaluminium hoekprofielā€).

It works but I have observed potentional stability issues. It could result in metal fatigue of the aluminium pice.

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I normally try to keep the antenna and support pole as close as possible. This is the type of clamp system I often fabricate. By selecting clamp sizes to suit, the same design works on almost any size pole and any size antenna.

I know there are better designs but itā€™s quick to fabricate.
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