LHT65 -- disappointing battery life

I share your observation: I have a dozen LHT65 sensors deployed and although 99% of them work fine, the battery of one LHT65 drained within a month. I had to replace it.

Although a bad battery may be the case, the following could be a reason too: these sensors are manufactured with the battery switched on and set to deep sleep until they are deployed. It could be of course that a single LHT65 was on stock longer than the others. Even in deep sleep batteries drain over time.

It is not a conclusive answer but these things happen.

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From Dragino product info:

Built-in 2400mAh battery for more than 10 year use

What battery type is this?

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You’re not kidding. After having experimented with various Dragino products I noticed that with other Dragino products as well. And it never work in my favor, which is why I noticed FW bugs and old HW versions . So for experimenting Draginos are fine, but currently I would tend to rather not use them in a major product rollout. (Unless you want to open up every unit before deployment, to examine HW versions and FW versions. And even that won’t protect you from bad quality batteries.)

@ bluejedi Since the data of the LHT65 with the dying battery is not important, I wait until it dies completely, then break the sealed case open, examine and replace the battery and report back .

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I purchased a FDK Lithium battery CR17450E-R (3V) and soldered the wires to the power clips.

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Hi, same to me, one sensor drained in 3 month. Dragino replaced it without problem after showing the discharge curve and purchase bill to check that was really ony 3 months.

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That’s certainly nice of them, and appreciated by the hobbyist LHT65-user, including me.

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I have three units and am curious if you changed the transmit time to anything less than 20 minutes (default)? My oldest LHT65 is about six weeks and the battery seems to stay slightly above 3 volts. Thanks.
Bob

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Moat batteries start out optimistically - and you can see from the original post that at 3V it runs for a long time.

As for the uplink interval, send it to what you need - more = less battery life.

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any pointers on how to open the glued version - i have one with a dead battery

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They’re not glued. Just very hard to open. AFAIK.

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According to dragino there unglued version, you have to ask for it. By default they are glued. The box is’soft’ and easy to dent (screwdriver marks)

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Where did you find that information? Nothing in the manual and no hits on google apart from 1 YouTube clip (which shows an empty unit, probably LHT65-BAT-CA, being opened) and a question (yours?)/reply on Twitter.

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It is in the comment of the you tube clip

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I managed to open it, it was glued I damaged the enclosure a bit …

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The old battery … after removing the isolation

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I fitted the replacement battery and the sensor re-joined and was working without any config work. i.e. it keeps the settings even without a battery.

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Oping these units is a pain. But knowing they can be deployed outside makes up for it.

All settings are stored in eeprom.

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I have a few for outside use, luckily this one was for inside use :slight_smile:

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There seems to be some kind of design issue with lht65.

I have seven lht65s. Two of them failed after a couple of years. Somewhat early, but I opened them up to change batteries. Even though they are not exactly easy to open up it is a pretty safe prying and bending operation, as the risk of accidentally damaging the electronics in the process is low.

Both of them had drained the old batteries down to about 0.3 volt. When replacing the battery and connecting the battery PCBA to the main PCBA the supply voltage would drop down to 1.4 volt. Measuring the current with an externally connected power supply indicated that the main PCBA would draw 42 mA. Less than a Tesla, but something is clearly amiss.

And this was true in exactly the same way for both of the failing devices. (Work done in an EPA setting)

Which suggests they were ‘exhausted’ from a practical perspective long before attempting the swap out - a common issue when remote/in the field. So this begs the question how have the batteries/chemistry behaves in the the intervening period? Have you pulled the main pcb and inspected for any outgassing/vapour issues where mosture might get deposited causing corrosion and pcb/connections/tracing ‘creap’ leading to near shorts or (relatively) low impedance paths to be formed that then get exercised by the new batteries leading to such pull down and current draw? Its good practice to monitor batteries and schedule change what say 80%, ensuring work done by around 90% max :wink:

Maybe - that will depend on update rate and how ADR has adjusted SF in long term use - what does your (meta)data history say about how SF has varied over the life of the deployment? As GW’s come and go over such a long time not uncommon to see significant variance over time…and of course high up link rates combined with high SF mean fast battery exhaustion…

Plus temperature profiles & location - ambient doesn’t have to be hot - direct sunlight can warm up a device, then it gets cold overnight and the chemistry doesn’t play out as expected.

There’s something going wrong. The supply -voltage must not drop to 1.4 V with a new battery. Hopefully you connected the battery the right way.
Maybe it’s a short-circuit or a defective component on the PCB.