UK Legal requirements for equipment

kromhouthal-25

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Great news! …but does beg the question what was he (or the author if just presenting someone elses work!) smoking?! :wink: (well…it was in Amsterdam :see_no_evil: ) Tee Hee!..

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I suspect there’s a small kernel of truth to the slide but far from the “end of LoRaWAN” the usual FUDster picked up on.

It does raise the point that perhaps we - as users - should be organising together with the LoRaWAN Alliance and others to campaign for the increase the ISM allocation and get better access restrictions.

If anything this has shown is that access to spectrum is too important to be happening behind closed doors by (expensive) membership only organisations.

We need this if we’re to ever reach that goal of billions of devices.

Let’s do this? :slight_smile:

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I wonder if there is space in the spectrum to allow that.

Many of the current rules were deemed suitable and set many years ago when we had a realtivly non-connected World, not nearly so much competition for allocations.

With the increases we have seen in IOT stuff in recent years, where is the extra spectrum going to be found ?

dsmith

drawing back. But this statement does not include at all a real explanation, WHY this misleading information could happen. btw.: the language was very clear :slight_smile:

The report is not a vote. “This survey was charged by the Federal network Agency (BNetzA, Germany) to get an independent view to several aspects in the context of coexistence of different SRD applications working in the same band”.
It contains a number of recommendations, made by some external entity, with no mention of voting. If the company that wrote it is really IMST, I expected it changed mind in the last 7 years :wink:

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One view on Spectrum Allocation; it should be used by those who provide the highest economic value. Spectrum Auctions are one way to determine who will make the best use of the Spectrum. This approach would not apply in an ISM band, but the same principle could apply and therefore more bandwidth could be allocated if it’s generating higher economic value. Also spectrum can be reclaimed, people who currently use a piece of the Sprectrum don’t “own” it, they are allocated it for a period of time and this can be reclaimed.

Just a thought on why you may want to consider to

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Here, Here!, More spectrum being discussed with the potential 874-876 & 915-921 Harmonization…BUT…be careful what you wish for - we dont want the fragmentation of users/communities and equipment as seen in US & AU where there are many channels and potential frequency plans now causing much angst and confusion and hard decision on which way to go. The 874-876 band pehaps dedicated to LoRaWAN could be good option and in range of re-tuning existing kit, trying to cover 865 to 921 with the same (low cost) kit becomes a challenge! :wink:

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Who gets to judge economic value? How do people with poor access and with low incomes get level playing field for their needs compared with governments & corporates with deep pockets? e.g. A low income shepherd living via subsidies with no classical cellular coverage in distant hills, or in range but little spare budget to pay the cellular ‘tax’ of the gov & operators may have same need to monitor his/her flock, monitor environment, plant, equipment, flooding, feed & water levels etc. as someone with similar needs in better served area and with better funding/deeper pockets…who decides the ‘value’ & to whom? With LoRaWAN/TTN and ISM band access you can just do it! :slight_smile:

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Regarding the crucial slide: I was not there to hear, but I interpret what is written, thinking at the Italian situation, as the prohibition to create a national LoRaWAN network for entities that are not registered telecom operators (or at all, but I suspect this is made to register who is systematically exploiting the band for profit). From some point of view this could make sense. However, I cannot find any public reference to this decision.

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the way to go is to decrease the duty cycle and more restrictions:

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still missing after 3 days… hmmm

This is not enough for you ?? hmmmm

explanation

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this is not a clarification bý LoRa Alliance

No stress, LoRaWAN is here to stay :sunglasses:

@bluesensing1 chairs and representatives of the LoRa Alliance commented on LinkedIn. This fuzz is not worth a press release. LoRaWAN works and is allowed in Europe and there are a lot of great deployments ahead, both public and private.

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More on the concern of LPWAN in UK and Italy

https://www.cept.org/Documents/se-24/48179/se24-18-069_iot-lpwan-vs-legacy-srd-study-wi69

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Very interesting reading nestor. Thanks.
It seems that, according this study, CCS (LoRaWAN) has a negligible impact in SRD when using SDR+APC
imagen

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OMG this is so complicated, I was looking into using LORA for a project with the TTGO boards but nowhere can I find if these are legal to use in the United Kingdom, does anyone know yet ?

Thanks
Stuart