We are making an off-grid gateway station with a bunch of other devices which are all 24V. The TTOG seems to require 55V, or at least this is the voltage provided by the PoE brick. Anybody tried to run their TTOG on 24V? What is the minimum voltage they require?
PoE typically runs at 48VDC to compensate for the losses in the cabling.
If you are running off-grid, just don’t use the PoE brick, then you won’t have to generate mains voltage to power the brick to provide lots-a-volts to lose down the end of a relatively short cable which will then buck it down to 24VDC.
But it may be worth stringing them all together to see if you can get some perpetual motion gig going …
We definitely want to avoid inverting to mains and then back to DC. But I would also like to avoid going from 12 to 24V and 55V, especially knowing that the 55V is actually likely to be taken down to much lower voltages in the box.
I was wondering if it would work if powered at 24V (on a short cable). I guess we’ll have to try.
Sadly no direct hand on experience with the TTOG - never received my review unit (was due just as Covid hit) - but question is what have you tested? It does no harm to try other (lower) voltages to see what happens. I believe this will be set for nominal 802.3af PoE which sets nominal 48V - (spec 44-57V) - no doubt 55V on PSU allows for cable losses in worst case. Spec is set for longest ENet cable runs with supply current draw from 10-350mA (15.4W spec) so on shorter runs with lower loss the source feed can of course be set lower. I have seen other systems use a 24V PoE (Ubiquiti being the stand out name in network kit that I recall), and rather than follow the standard for my stand alone solar rigs I often go down the path of passive PoE at nominal 12V or 24V…as stated the trick is to test how the systems PSU and brown out circuits will respond… one of my favourite early GWs was the Laird RG186 and in tests I found though nominal power (to main socket vs PoE connection) set with their PSU at 12V it worked reliably to well below 8V with nicely behaved brown out action… so Passive PoE splitters allowed Ethenet + Power over singe cable with power delivered through main barrel conector vs direct to ethernet socket. Have noted similar good behaviour on others where taking direct to ENet port such as the RAK 7249 where supply could go well below 10V and still function As noted only way to find out is to test and to then allow a small headroom depending on cable length (I allow 1.5V on short cable runs, 2.5V on medium and 5V on full length, with no operational reliability issues see in the field so far. WRT TTOG specifically I know Al @eggfriedrice and the Connected Things/Sensational Systems team up in Edinburgh sell/support this unit and can perhaps chip in with advice and experience on that specific unit?
Agree - can only type so fast! No doubt saw me replying
One other little wrinkle is the TTOG DS calls out 803.af and that is also in Installation Notes but I did see that at one point they (Browan) recommend PoE Switch (Network kit) and cabling be rated as 802.3at - the more recent/higher powered (25.5W) version - though unsure if this is typo or just overkill? In many cases installing in legacy cabling .3at may not be an option and I think TTOG should be ok (its only an SX1301/1257 system + LTE at the end of the day ). The supplied Borowan PSU @nominal 55V/0.6A/0.8A is over spec’d just in case
Thanks all for your input. Here are some additional points.
We are off grid so no mains. In fact we currently have an inverter and use the default power bricks and this is horrendously inefficient (and generates a lot of heat that also needs to be dissipated). So we want to go direct 12V to whatever voltage is needed.
Indeed we have Ubiquiti equipment as part of the same system, which requires 24V. We also need 12V (direct from the battery) and 5V (for micro controllers). I was just trying to avoid yet another DC-DC converter to try to be more efficient.
So far I have not tried to directly inject power from a DC source so have not tried anything else than the 55V from the power brick. Unfortunately I don’t have easy access to the TTOG at the moment to do tests (it’s out on a tower on top of a hill).
So I might just bite the bullet, get another DC-DC converter and hope the battery/solar panel capacity will be good enough (won’t be worse than going 12V to AC back to DC).
Yes, the DIY way is to crack the case open and solder on some header pins. But one of the TTI team mentioned that there was an adapter you could put in to the USB socket that wired up the serial to the USB.
Hey, I only just noticed the mention in this thread.
I don’t know any more than you about the voltage rails that TTOG has inside as I’ve never poked at the power sections.
The easiest thing to use is a DC PoE injector, we have enough customers using them that we stock one in particular that has a decently wide input range of 9-36V, meaning it’s well suited to 12 or 24V solar systems.
We’ve used quite a few now in various deployments and they do seem to work well. They claim a minimum efficiency of 75%, so of course there are some losses, but it’s generally not been a problem - and certainly better than running an inverter and mains PSU!
Hey Al welcome to the party - better late than never at least the beer and champagne have had more time to chill and given your base the whiskey got a few days more maturing
For the OP its more about the external power than how split and used internally - given @flabrosse sources it looks like the Tycon device will fit the bill nicely. Had seen these (and similar) installed on a few sites visited over the years and did wonder about what they were and how used - now I can see its obvious! Might try a couple myself sometime when I next need active vs passive PoE…I like the option for 2 power sources
@flabrosse if you do try one be sure to post back and let community know how you get on…
Yes, I will report back. We have already tested that the TTOG works fine on 48V so have ordered (and just received a 48V DC-DC converter (rated at a lot of Amps because it needs to power some LR ubiquiti that does run on 48V as well). The plan is to deploy everything by the end of the month.